Joshua who?
December 15, 2008 by chimaera
[upate 17-Dec]While I think Ben (comments below) went about things in entirely the wrong way, I am inclined to believe that the use of Wolfmother’s name in promoting this concert was unintentional and not driven by either Ben or Josh. I am however going to leave the full post below because otherwise the comments and the whole situation would be difficult to understand. I hope that not too many fans were dissapointed after attending the show and wish Josh a speedy recovery.
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Well it seems more and more certain that Mr Joshua Kerr was at the very least stretching the truth considerably when claiming he was lined up to be Wolfmother’s new bass player before being hit by a car while riding his bike.
I can confirm that Andrew jammed with a lot of potential bass players while in LA recently. One of them ended up doing a couple of weeks of demoing and such, but unfortunately I do not know how that was left. What I do know however is that his name was not Joshua Kerr! Joshua may have auditioned for the band and may even have got a callback, but he certainly was not in any way confirmed as a band member.
Reports also indicate that the extent of his accident and medical bills are exaggerated.
So Joshua Kerr, shame on you for stretching the truth on many fronts in the aim of raising some cash. And if any of the other bands knew this was the case, shame on you too.
What an asshole!
what’s your proof Peter?
My proof for the second paragraph is word from the band’s management. The part about his medical bills is speculation from other blogs or comments made on the last post.
what a foookin’ dick’ed!!!
back to square nothing, i s’pooooose…
How rotten of him, though.
wat a wankpot
josh never said he was Wolfmother’s new bass player. check your facts on who said what before you start slandering people.
Musicians were doing something to help a friend.
The event was certainly publicised that way. Look around, the event title was “benefit show for Joshua Kerr (Wolfmother)”. The original story in the LA Weekly said that he had just “landed a sweet gig playing bass for Andrew Stockdale’s revamped Wolfmother”. Maybe all of that started from a simple boast about getting to audition for Wolfmother, but it was taken further and unfairly used to get people to the gig, in my opinion.
Ahem, before you go crazy slandering someone else’s name and reputation..
JOSH IS A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE.
I, PERSONALLY, ORGANIZED THE BENEFIT MYSELF.
Josh is an extremely standup guy w/ a huge heart.
->Go visit my band’s myspace page ( http://www.myspace.com/kaura ) and view the blog I personally posted on November 25th.. please show me where you see the Wolfmother name?
>Look closely at the flyer that I personally made.. please show me where you see the Wolfmother name?
->Look at the actual House Of Blues advertisements in the L.A. Weekly and elsewhere.. please show me where you see the Wolfmother name?
..yes, Josh DID play w/ Andrew Stockdale, and WAS involved w/ some pre-production as well.. however, there was NEVER ANY attempt made at exploiting the Wolfmother name, on either my end nor on Josh’s. Most of the bands involved were aware of Josh’s recent involvement with Andrew, however, I gave no one permission to use the Wolfmother name in affiliation with, or for use w/ the promotion or advertisement of the Benefit Show.
To directly address the L.A. Weekly write up.. although the intention displayed within the article was clearly good.. Josh was NOT interviewed by the person who wrote the article. The information contained within the article was NOT directly received from Josh. You’re blame has been WRONGLY appointed.
I was just sent this link, and I am honestly disgusted.
Perhaps YOU should do a little more investigating.. “Chamaera”
Inform yourself.
My name is Ben Rojas. You, or anyone else, is welcome to call me and speak w/ me further regarding this ordeal. My personal cell phone number is 323-533-2123.
I have notified Josh of this horrendous and shameless display and he is mortified to say the least.
****If you have any decency or self respec at allt, you should pull this article immediately and formally apologize to Josh.
-Ben Rojas
Ben, while I can recognise the fact that your intentions in this, or Josh’s, may be innocent, you cannot deny that some fans who attended the gig, having seen the LA Weekly article or the subsequent link between Josh and Wolfmother, may have feel betrayed. If you want to blame anyone, blame the LA Weekly. Blame hob.com. Blame eventful.com. They are the ones misrepresenting information – I only presented the facts as I had them. Read the article again – I never at any point make it clear that these are facts. It is “it seems”, “reports indicate”, etc. Sorry, I did state one fact, one that you confirmed – that Josh was not a confirmed band member.
So I am in no way inclined to apologise, particularly given your aggressive comment and accusations.
House Of Blues was very gracious and NEVER advertised the Benefit Show with any mention, whatsoever, of Wolfmother.
Do not try and turn your lazy “journalism” around on someone else. Take responsibility for your own actions.
YOU are the one who POSTED an article on Wolfmother.net about the show without doing full research beforehand. Josh, nor myself have any control of what outside sources (such as YOURSELF) chose to do with information they hear.
Do not blame others for YOUR MISTAKES. How about turn the BLAME on YOURSELF, CHIMAERA?
**HOW ABOUT SHAME ON YOU, CHIMAERA, FOR POORLY RUNNING A FAN BASED WEBSITE. FOR ADVERTISING A SHOW INACCURATELY (AND WITHOUT PERMISSION FROM ANDREW STOCKDALE) AND SUBSEQUENTLY MAKING WOLFMOTHER FANS FEEL BETRAYED?
YOU are the one falsifying information here! Exactly what “reports” “indicate that the extent of his accident and medical bills are exaggerated.” ???????
** “So Joshua Kerr, shame on you for stretching the truth on many fronts in the aim of raising some cash. And if any of the other bands knew this was the case, shame on you too.”
** YOU ARE CLEARLY SLANDERING JOSH’S NAME UNDESERVINGLY SO!
I believe this merits an apology!
I have given you my phone number; perhaps you should stop embarrassing yourself in a public forum, call me, get your facts straight, and rectify this matter?
-Ben Rojas
guys, guys chill, chill chill…
from whatever perspective, we should come away from this with peacefulness formost in our intentions…i dont know fully the character of this ben person, but im sure as chimaera is that we wanted none of this, not even the confusion afterwards part…
just everyone chill, man
well said Chimaera, lets not waste anymore time on these fuckin lying scumbags!!!
Maybe Mr Josh Kerr should appologise to everyone that paid to get into a so called bogus benefit show! Loser
Ben and Josh are fags.
This is not a matter to be taken lightly. Joshua Kerr is a professional, working musician. This article is clearly and blatantly slandering his working name. Legal action can, and will, be taken if this article is not removed.
In addition, professionally taken photographs are being used, without consent of the photographer who took the photos, to accomplish this.
dude ben your a faggot. just shut the fuck up. I’ve read all the articles and chimaera didn’t make any assumptions on his own. He took false new articles relating to the band that he runs a fan site for, and simply relayed them. Chimaera did nothing wrong, and you should stop portraying that he is responsible for what has happened thus far, because that’s bullshit. It is clear that someone from the LA weekly or perhaps these online news sites took real facts about the situation and blew them way out of proportion. While it is not your fault that ppl assumed that josh was a new member of wolfmother and wasted their money on the show, it is still your legal responsibility that the wolfmother name was connected with the show. You were legally liable and therefore, ppl were probably pissed and got there money back. But that’s not the point. The point is that chimaera is not responsible for this incident. Good luck suing him over it. I do believe that Josh was not attempting to fraud anyone and wish him a quick and full recovery. Go bitch at the ppl resonsible for this travesy, because your obviously wasting your time and making an ass out of yourself by poining the finger at chimaera. He doesn’t deserve this. GET THE STICK OUT OF YOUR ASS AND HAVE A GRAND FUCKING DAY!!!
Hi ben
so this guy, your friend, was hit by a car and left for dead in hollywood???
D
hahahah professional, working musician???? what exactly has this guy done beside lie to everyone???
the only guy that should be being sued Mr Rojas, is ya boyfriend/best buddy Mr Kerr for de-frauding people!
ok lets not insult each other like children here… first off lets address ben..
this joshua maybe a personal friend of yours however that doesn’t give you any right to try to change any post on this website or try to get this removed… if your band or joshua wants to be in any part of fame, you better get used to criticism…
chimmy did NOTHING wrong as stated… the only thing we had to go on was that LA website, which was heavily criticised aswell! we all hold the right to have an opinion and clearly this articial is showing what the whole website/forums are thinking about josh… now if, as you say, it all is true and the wolfmother name was never mentioned.. then i do apologise… however… from his myspace, its all suddenly gone to private and hes been logging on rather regularly for a guy whos been in hospital and none of his comments seemed to mention his injuries 8-).. or did he go to a cyber cafe every day or something?
further yet.. comparing joshuas fame to wolfmothers is CRAZY! infact if anything.. his minor fame is only due to wolfmothers name anyways.. YOU SHOULD BE EFFING HAPPY! if it werent for this store, wolfmother or this website, i would have absolutely NO clue who joshua is!
Chimmy is only reporting what he hears, don’t you dare come here wasting my time and everyone elses with your load of shit i don’t even want to read.. go ahead.. tell joshua about this artical/website.. would be interesting to here his response…
thank you fella :)
Ben, if you would like to discuss this as an adult rather then result to public arguing and ‘SHOUTING’, please feel free to email me at chimaeric@gmail.com . You can also send any legal action you wish to take to the same address. I’d be happy to discuss the ins and outs of journalism and web-blogging in particular.
So mr Ben is now throwing around legal action hahahah!
wheres the proof mr Ben from your so called friend that he was ever involved in a hit and run, cop reports maybe??? let me guess, they dont exsist!
and the medical bills, $26,000 worth for a broken arm??? let me guess again… they dont exsist!
Dont come on our board with your bullshit…..
Maybe you should be doing some research Mr Ben
Losers!
Oh and just for the record, although it seems that you have successfully removed many references to this mess, the web is a wonderful thing and evidence still exists.
The main band, Bangkok Five, blog entry on MySpace (now of course removed, but thank you Google): http://music.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=music.showDetails&Band_Show_ID=38527116&friendid=13921933
Just in case that doesn’t work: http://i43.tinypic.com/2wp7cc5.jpg
Eventful.com listing: http://eventful.com/westhollywood/events/benefit-show-joshua-kerr-wolfmother-/E0-001-017710178-7
Pic backup: http://i41.tinypic.com/2rnbfqo.jpg
LA Weekly article summary: http://www.laweekly.com/2008-12-04/music/music-picks-ac-dc-dressy-bessy-meshell-ndegeocello/
Pic backup: http://i40.tinypic.com/2ia753l.jpg
So even with what’s left, I think it is clear that there was enough information to base a story on.
Look, at the end of the day, if this was a mistake and Joshua really is hurt, I don’t wish him any harm. In fact I wish him a speedy recovery and hope the gig helps out. But you coming on here and ‘YELLING’ that this site is poorly run, that this article should be removed, or demanding that I apologise, is just out of order and not the way to win people over.
I look forward to speaking with you or your lawyers further.
One thing I would like to know, Ben, WHY DIDN’T YOU STOP BY AND SPEAK UP SO PASSIONATELY ABOUT MISINFORMATION WHEN THE ARTICLE SAYING HE WAS WOLFMOTHER’S BASS PLAYER WAS UP? WHY WAIT UNTIL NOW?
Even if you are right you aren’t any better, you should apologize just as much.
Although cleary you aren’t right….
ahahaha Josh Kerr is a lying bitch! Sue Me!
Yet you seemed to blame Josh for this exploitation when had nothing to do with it. Josh, nor I, have any control of the information that outside sources chose to post on their sites.
The point that I was trying to make earlier was that someone was just as likely to view information on this site on the 4th as they were eventful.com or L.A. Weekly. Just as you gathered information for your article written on the 4th from outside sources… so was the case for the L.A. Weekly and eventful.com articles.
The Benefit I put together was titled “Benefit Show for Joshua Kerr”, and that’s exactly what it was.
The blog I posted can be read here:
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=8279511&blogID=451811803
You are clearly pointing your finger at Josh. For you to accuse Josh of “stretching the truth on many fronts in the aim of raising some cash” and portray him in this light is undeserved and unfair.
Josh had NOTHING to do with this Benefit. I put the thing together.
There was nothing I could do to prevent these things from being printed or posted. I am not a promoter, I am a musician who was trying to help out a friend in need. I put a lot of my time and energy trying to do something completely selfless.
If you wish to appont blame,take you finger and point blame to the sources you named above.. but to take someone who was victim of a tragic accident and try to drag their name through the mud the way you have is a very low thing to do.
..and for the record
I was not aware of ANY of these promotions or advertisements (including the one posted here on this site on the 4th of December) until after the Benefit. I was forwarded the L.A. Weekly article days after the Benefit. The eventful.com article I viewed for the first time today. Your article I was forwarded last night. Had I been made aware of the blog posted by The Bangkok Five, I would have asked them to remove the Wolfmother name immediately.
Josh was a silent figure in this.. he never “claimed” anything.
Not saying it didn’t happen, but doesn’t a hit and run usually make the news at least? I don’t see any articles about the accident, only stories about his benefit show…
How serious was he really hurt?
theres obviously no use talking this ben guy. he doesn’t get the point
i agree with drbob222.
Ben is overreacting and isn’t able to see it from our point of view. being aggressive and threatining with legal action isn’t really helping his case and i was actually thinking at one point it would be a typical example on a defencemecanisme if your covering the truth.. rather childish i reckon. and he doesn’t really argue for his point of view but just act like a child.. though his intentions are good he comes out and seem like a real &¤§”$£@..
Thanks to chimaera for not giving in on those ridiculous demands.. this has become a lame discussion on freedom of speech..
Wow, can we all just say “Fuck, we messed up.” and move on with out lives please?
ben is gaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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Ben, why dont you just go FUCK YOURSELF YOU FUCKING SHIT CUNT AND THEN GO ROOT YOUR LYING ASSHOLE OF A FRIEND AS WELL.
Well, this is a mislead argument that went to shit… Blame the internet for their misleading lies, not Josh, Ben, or Chimaera. It’s a serious issue on Josh’s and Ben’s account, since this is a bit of false (albeit unintended) slander against Josh, and this is about his job as a musician. He can’t have bad marks against his name, especially for something caused my misleading advertising by third-parties.
Quiet down… Chimaera made up for the mistake above. As for the fans who’ve posted here against Josh or Ben, know that as Wolfmother fans, you are all indirectly representing the band. Acting like a bunch of arrogant, angry jerks doesn’t help make Wolfmother look good, even if this is the internet.
thats a fantastic point mate
I only read the first few comments, and I just think it is pitiful that “Ben” is hurling abuse at chimaera. Also, it sucks that there is no news on Mother’s status; get on with it already, we are all getting impaitent. I think it’s quite rude that they haven’t even said anything about whether the band will continue since August! Oh well.
I JUST WANT WOLFMOTHER!
exactly!!! these guys are has beens, lets not waste any more time on those liars!
karma’s a bitch kerr!
lets just look on the bright side…
ANDREW IS ACTUALLY GETTING MEMBERS!!!!!
HE HELD AUDITIONS!
HE HELD CALLBACKS!
and after call backs come….
AN ACTUAL BAND!!!!!!!!!!
WOLFMOTHER will release info soon. You just have to be patient. God knows I dont want to wait anymore, but thats all we can do is be patient. They have a show scheduled in March meaning that info will definitly come before then.
from just another patiently waiting WOLFMOTHER fan (who met them btw at summerfest in milwaukee on june 29th, 2007 at approx 1 in the morning : )
chimmy shouldn’t of given in too easy… there is no legal case against him what so ever… as for that fly person.. fuck off :P we’re not arogant jerks.. this is a WOLFMOTHER FAN SITE… so defending wolfmother is what we do…
This is kind of off topic, but i guess they’re selling tickets for the clipsel already. I just thought that some people might want to know.
KNFLKNHFSD
Josh they have been on sale 4 some time now.
i have already got mine :) ill film it too
I agree with fly. If Bens telling the truth every thing hes saying is right. He’s not being an asshole at all. He can’t sue, but taking this article off would be the right thing to do.
Hmmm… check this out!
http://i39.tinypic.com/1zl9ok2.jpg
OMG!!!!!
WHO IS JAMES!?!?!?!?!?!
anyone could photoshop a myspace page lol
i have no idea who james it 8-)
All the proof is right here! Apparently there was a news report!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4
I think I’ve been able to consider some of these facts here pretty well. I’m going to give a brief summary on the points, just for argument’s sake.
- Chimaera’s article is, for the most part, too ambiguous for Ben to make any successful lawsuit. Also, since International laws are (I assume) in place, the case would most likely be too expensive to be efficient, or even rewarding to a reasonable stand-point. If Josh is the “standup guy with a huge heart” whom Ben claims him to be, then, depending on the capital needed and the overall projected winnings of the case for Josh, the entire case would go against this statement, and only make Josh more shameful.
- Accusations against Chimaera can only be directed to the first and final paragraph.
—In the first, Chimaera states that Joshua was “claiming he was lined up to be Wolfmother’s new bass player….” Chimaera can take blame for this, only through stating, unknowingly, a false statement.
—In the final paragraph, Chimaera puts shame to Joshua for “stretching the truth.” Chimaera, who (I believe) privately owns this site, can speak his mind. According to freedom of speech, which I imagine the International laws in place delegate to the people, allows for a private citizen to say what he/she wants.
In all honesty, I don’t see why Ben would create such a fuss over this. As stated by a commenter before me, the name Wolfmother, although falsely used, may have brought more attendees to the Benefit show. If anything, Ben should, in my opinion, recount for his aggressiveness and legal threats. However, this doesn’t leave Chimaera completely in the clear. I believe Chimaera should still investigate further into the sources for this information, and if proven wrong, despite having erroneous information, apologize for putting Joshua Kerr to shame.
Having said this, I still think certain parties are overreacting. I can understand Ben’s desire to protect Joshua’s name, and I can understand Chimaera’s (as well as most of the rest of the forum’s) feeling of the need to defend this forum and himself/Chimaera. I cannot, however, fathom any lack of remorse on Ben’s part for having brought a case on such a simple, easily forgiven matter.
Well slandering someone’s name IS illegal, it’s one of the exceptions of freedom of speech, and we honestly don’t know for sure what Josh’s involvement was in stretching that truth. Everything else you said was a point excellently made Rookie.
Ok what? Slandering someones named is not illegal.. That would mean that a lot of people would have been arrested or fined.. It may be a civil case though but only if the other person, in this case joshua, lost his job because of the slander.. anyways.. American laws don’t cover chim in the uk.. Plus what has chim done wrong?? He’s reporting to us, what other bigger website have said.. Nothing wrong there.. Take it up with LA weekly..
Slandering someones name is illegal conduct under both State and Federal law Rook. The government won’t go around searching for slanders and fining people, that would be impractical, but you can definitely sue and win a case on those grounds. Damages don’t have to be done prior either, he wouldn’t have had to lose his job. You are right about international, I’m not so sure how it would work overseas.
Also…
the thing is, I don’t think slandering took place here. Chimaera didn’t really say anything seriously bad about Josh. The only thing that I had a problem with was when you said a private citizen could say whatever they want. This just isn’t true, even Freedom of Speech has it’s limits.
er woopsy, that was Jimmy not Rook.
haha slander of someones name isn’t illegal in the UK as far as i am aware of… you can get sued for slander but that doesn’t make it illegal.. if you say that slander is illegal.. then alot of newspapers would not publish what they do.. and slander didn’t take place here at all… well maybe from a few of the commenters but thats anothing thing… slander can also be used in the term, ‘i will sue you’ and then you don’t (thats from a law lesson that i was not paying attention too :P) but as far as i am aware, bad mouthing someones rep isn’t illegal :S how can it be anyways :S you are allowed to think what you want… plus for slander to happen.. you need to effect a persons carreer or reputation in order for you to even have a legal case what so ever…. and yes its jimmy :P haha
Slandering is more then just “bad mouthing” someone’s rep, slandering is intentionally claiming that someone did something that they didn’t do in order to detriment their name. I highly doubt that it is legal to publish a story in the paper claiming that one of your politicians are involved in a prostitution ring if they really have nothing to do with it. It would be alright to say there is suspicion, but to slate it as fact, if that is truly legal over there then I am glad I don’t live in the UK…
and as I said, I really don’t think slander took place here. I never said it did. All I am saying is that freedom of speech isn’t limitless That is all.
Merry Christmas!!! xoxo
haha why on earth should expressing your opinion over someone or bitching, as it can also been known, about someone be illegal? and why are you acting like its the most vital law? a society with out a slander law a bad society? i’m sorry but clearly you believed slander happened here or you wouldn’t be carrying on insisting that its illegal.. slander is known as a CIVIL WRONG! thats not criminally wrong… Slander is barely nothing more than verbal.. hense the ‘im going to sue you’. LIBEL is whats known as more illegal.. as its written.. however both will end with a civil case, which is claiment v defendant, instead of criminal which is state vs defendant..
i agree freedom of speech has its limits.. however there is a difference between something being illegal and civil wrongs.. this is an example.. you can get sued for slander/libels but not community service or prison sentence…
So would this be an example of slander?
Josh and Ben commit acts of beastiality with Wolves, so that they can have a Wolfmother for their half human, half wolf offspring.
or would this?
Ben gives it to Josh in the pooper until his hoop is chapped and dry.
hahahaha
well lets hope the money this mr josh kerr scammed out of people goes towards some bass guitar lessons, cause from what i heard he’s pretty terrible on the bass!!! and u looks wierd!
merry christmas people
HAPPY NEW YEARS!!
wow what a loser this guy is….. I hear on the music grape vine a band in Los Angeles he was playing with just got rid of him due to his lies…… how to make friends by J.Kerr on sale now hahahaha!
new drummer looks cool!!!
s.j xxx